Dear Gotthard,

 You are way off base Usenet-wise (there is no invalidation of vote
because of "biased conduct" of the proponent, for starters), but I'm not
going to burden this list with the nitty-gritty of it.
 Let me just ask you this: if some ten weeks of debate was not enough for
you to go into the vote, what would it help to replay the whole thing
again - after the six month mandatory hiatus that would be required were
the CFV to be withdrawn?

Zoli , finger  for the charter of s.c.h
# Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
# form of politics, because the stakes are so low."  He didn't know
# Usenet: welcome to the next level.           (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)

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I reposited my archive of the debate on the proposal, from the pre-RFD
stage on, into the SENDDOC archives.  Notice that the total is more than
500Kb, over 12K lines. It's split up into less than 64K chunks with filenames
'soc.culture.hungarian_Vita-1.1' thru 'soc.culture.hungarian_Vita-2.5' in
the /new directory; for access methods email . Its URL is

http://hix.mit.edu/cgi-bin/ekezet.123/hix/hixcore/senddoc/new/

 Please note that two files, soc.culture.hungarian_Vita-1 and
soc.culture.hungarian_Vita-2 should be disregarded (they got improperly
truncated in transmission, the right version is contained in the other
pieces)! Use only the ones following the filename-pattern
        soc.culture.hungarian_Vita-[12].[1-6]
 Separate copies of the RFD and CFV are stored in that directory as well.

Zoli , finger  for the charter of s.c.h
# Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
# form of politics, because the stakes are so low."  He didn't know
# Usenet: welcome to the next level.           (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)

In article > "Zoli
Fekete # vote for soc.culture.hungarian!" writes:
>Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 22:29:09 -0400
>From: "Zoli Fekete # vote for soc.culture.hungarian!"
>Subject: CFV: soc.culture.hungarian (fwd)

>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: 1 May 1995 16:16:33 -0400
>From: Warren Lavallee >
>Newgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.culture.magyar,
>    soc.culture.europe, alt.politics.europe.misc, alt.politics.ec
>Subject: CFV: soc.culture.hungarian

>                          FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
>    unmoderated group soc.culture.hungarian (replaces soc.culture.magyar)

>Newsgroups line:
>soc.culture.hungarian   The Hungarian (Magyar) people & their culture.

>Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 May 1994.

>This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!

> Paragraph Ommited


> In the view of the proponent, it is necessary to create a newsgroup
>with an English name: soc.culture.hungarian. The standardized name
>should help more patrons locate the group, furthering its goal to
>provide a global link for all people interested in Hungarian affairs.
>The creation of the new group would also enable us to write a new
>charter, thus to eliminate the restriction imposed in the s.c.magyar
>charter for English only discussion language.
> I suggest that the existing s.c.m should be superseded by the new
>group. Not keeping the former would prevent the confusion of having
>two similar groups with different names. The option of one single group
>was preferred by the majority of participants in the debate prior the
>CFV.


THe "neutral" third party doesn't seem very neutral to me.  Why would a
neutral party include paragraphs supporting the name change along with the
voting instructions?

Norbert
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Norbert Horvat

On Tue, 2 May 1995, Norbert Horvat wrote:
> >From: Warren Lavallee >
[...]
> > In the view of the proponent, [...]

> >This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting [...]

> THe "neutral" third party doesn't seem very neutral to me.  Why would a
> neutral party include paragraphs supporting the name change along with the
> voting instructions?
 You're talking about the 'rationale' - that, like the charter and
everything but the voting instructions (and the 'Subject:' line) has
been prepared by me, the proponent. The vote is not conducted by me, but
a Usenet Votetaker Volunteer - someone who has no interest in our group
at all, but run votes on a lot of groups, is running a dozen or so right
now. If you want to learn about the newsgroup voting process, check out
the FAQ's that are available from the archives.

Zoli , finger  for the charter of s.c.h
# Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
# form of politics, because the stakes are so low."  He didn't know
# Usenet: welcome to the next level.           (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)

Could anyone either give me some information on this project,
or give me some idea where I could go to find information in
English.
I came across mention of this project in CET on-line in connection
with a Hungarian/Israeli space project.

Thanks in advance for any help.


James McShane                                    *DON'T PANIC*
Assistant Division Manager
Literature and Languages Div.
Queens Borough Public Library             

Would someone have a primer on democracy handy, in particular a good
explanation of the one person-one vote principle.

If so, kindly send a copy to Mr Gotthard Saghi-Szabo who, in his frustration
over having only the same say in a democratic process as anyone else, is
trying to sabotage the whole process.

Thanks in anticipation,

George Antony