Mr Pagano writes:

>Doug: I'm actually not the guy who made the assertion that the
>etymological nuances inherent in the names used in "The Usual Suspects"
>were too subtle to register in the average American mind.  Nor did I ape
>the typical American geographical sense, but, as you can see above, I did
>second this latter notion.

And further on........

>A much more shining example of the American educative system than most --
>not because of my acumen, but because I was fortunate enough to attend
>both a high school and college which were extremely highly-rated, private
>institutions --

Not to be outdone by......

>You can make the argument that, like Faulkner or Frederick
>Douglass, I should have resorted to self-education a little more
>than I did.  But you can also pause to consider that there are millions
>of other kids in this country who didn't come close to receiving the
>educational opportunities I did.  This, I think, is the reason why, when
>I first took an English class in college, I was amazed to realize that
>the average kid there could not write coherent sentences.  And it's
>definitely the reason why I'll call it like it is when the subject of
>American education comes up, even if it irks your nationalist
>sensibilities.

Almost there!

>I am not only the basis, but also the poster-boy.  I didn't even know
>where 90% of the Asian countries were until my senior year in college,
>even though a former girlfriend was part Indonesian and Chinese (I didn't
>even know what Indonesia was until my Freshman year).  I used to think
>Turkey was where Eastern China is.  And I don't think that if you asked
>me right now I could point out more than half the American states on a
>map.

>Being American, I pray that my peers will resort to any means necessary
>to rekindle our collective excellence in matters more gentile and refined
>than football and the niceties of Monster Trucking.

John if you will reread my post, you will see that I never once accused you
of originating this idea, nor even of agreeing with it.  The target of my
criticism was cleary the originating author.

Furthermore, your statement regarding us poor devils who didn't "attend
both a high school and college which were extremely highly-rated, private
institutions" is the epitome of elitism and conceit; never mind that it is
also a scathing indictment of the private schools you attended.  While I
did not have the benefit of a highly rated private high school education to
ensure my acceptance into an equally highly rated private college, I was,
by the time I finished the publicly funded 9th grade, able to identify all
the states in our country and find most all of our terrestrial neighbors
without breaking a sweat.  Perhaps my mind grows fuzzy at the ripe old age
of 34, but it seems that most of my peers could as well.

I cannot in good faith debate the fact that frightening examples of
educational malpractice exist in our country.  Your are also correct when
you imply that American educational doctine has too often abandoned
scholastic rigor for the pretty face of political correctness.  However,
one has only to look at the latent rise of neo-naziism in Germany and the
dullards following Zhirinovsky in Russia to see that we do not hold the
patent on idiocy.  In any case,  I've appreciated the opportunity to
discuss this with you, but half-time is over.  Back to the football game.

Regards,

Doug




Doug Hormann

thanks for the suggestion. I'm now offering $5/HOUR for approximately 4-5
hours per day. I've received some very positive replies.

Dennis

John Czifra ) wrote:
: Wow!!! Someone seems to be mad at the Magar discovery, folks.
                             ^^^
not at all jancsika --- just its methodology!

: : They traveled to an area called the Rolpa district of Nepal, which is
: : essentially sealed off from civilization by rugged terrain.
: : The Magar people are
: : isolated from the rest of Nepal by geographical, cultural and political
: : differences.
: wow! sounds like Shangrila from "Lost Horizon"

: : And in a region where all the surrounding cultures eat rice,
: : the Magars grow corn, as did the Hungarians.
:       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: a stopper! me thinks "maze" (i.e. corn) commeth from New World post 1500AD

: <snip>

: : He suggested researchers could perform DNA testing in the future to
: : establish if there is any genetic connection,
: save time! are Magars DNA related to Koreans?
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: Hostile to the story? Or the reporting, my friend??
both, if that's what it takes to get this away from x-file mentality

: If you'd like to berate the reporter here's the Budapest Sun's
: e-mail address 100275.456 @ compuserve.com
nah! at 10,000ft/hr they don't need more grief

<snip my academe suggestions>

: reminds me of So Japan, So American, No Europe "lost tribe" stories
: of Magyar links of the past. (Keep in mind "Hungarian" was NEVER a tribe)
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

: Me thinks, grasshopper, that many, if not all, on this list knows that
i'm also a fan of Kung Fu... now we're getting somewhere!

<snip excellent recap of Hun history>

: there were passages stating, " Oh God!! Please save us from the arrows of
: the Hungarians!!" (That I'm sure many know, already.) I think we (magyars)
: were more ruthless than our horned helmet friends up north and certainly
: covered more ground (in Europe) than they ever did.
ya mean them VizitingGoths? Is that why they ring the bells at high-noon?

: One things for sure, though( I know that I'll get flak for this!!). We
: Hungarians can consider ourselves just that: Hungarians and not Magyars.
i've heard all them well-hungarian jokes before... let's just stay SCM!

: No one can claim that they are truly "Magyar", as many extremists in
: Hungary claim they are.
in a homogeneous, acculturated, colloidal universe; no one can claim anything!
see: Sarte on this point! Get real. You don't think or speak Hungarian.
To explain anything, you "magyara'zod" (sic predict). Get off this "extremist"
kick. Whorfean, ala Chomskyesque linguinees would agree with me!


: Ever since the first Tatar invasion and even the fall of the Arpad
: dynasty there hasn't been any pure Magyars.
                                ^^^^
who has ever invoked that argument? Could it be the Church Lady? (Extremists
indeed!)

: So, the Hungarian label given to us by the Europeans is the more acurate
: description, since those Europeans mixed up Onogours, Huns, and the like
: together to get the "Hungarian" label we've been branded with ever since;
language delimits your reality... labeled by another language as "X" does
NOT make you that! The term Hungarian is a socio-political label referring to
a bunch of people who remain not understandable within the Indo-European
fabric of ideology. From a "Magyar" perspective these folks are very alien!

: and boy are we a mixed up bunch of folk. The only unifing thing about us
: is the language used. I'm proud to be Hungarian,
: nonetheless, even though I'm half Hungarian.
<refrained from a cute quip> seriously, look into the linguistic definition of
Compound vs. Coordinate Bilingualism... it helps alot to understand one's
mazeway-resynthesis in linguistics ala psycholinguistics, which was my
original purpose of posting my suggestions about the Magars!

: I've deviated, but I'd like to know why this person slagged this
: discovery??                                         ^^^^^^^
                                                      noun?
as a verb it sound amorphous!

: It's an important discovery, whether or not these people are even closely
: related. I've always wondered about an Alma Ata connection myself.
: I think it's pretty neat that we may have a connection with these people.
i agree. all a want is evidence!

: Plus, you got to remember that this is the first time anybody made this
: expidition, so we must wait and see what's going on.
at this rate, we'll wait another 1000 yrs for another expEdition!

: Just by hearing about how some customs are similar and the turul and gurul
: connection makes me my mind race. If they do write, then what kind of
: written language is it?? Is it a runic language?? If not, then did we
: acquire runes from our Finn cousins?? The questions go on and on??
: It's fascinating!! It makes me want to go there myself and connect. Just
: like I'd want to connect with the Csango magyar.
nice. i agree completely!

: So, you can slag the reporting done, but don't slag the expidition, since
: all the information about it isn't out yet.
it's like your electric bill... it will NEVER "all" be in, but using
the air-conditioning in winter doesn't seem efficient.
<appropo: what does "slag the expidition" mean??? sounds mean! :) >

ke'so"bb

ja'nos

In article >, DARREN E PURCELL
> wrote:

> >
> > Hi there!
> >
> > could someone translate two short sentences in Hungarian and send them
> > directly to me; I don't read this newsgroup.
> >
> > here they are:
> >
> > Do you feel good?
> > Do you feel better?
>
>
> OK, I will take a stab at the first one
>
> Rendben vagy?
>
> at least that is what the hazinenni asked all the time when I sneezed in
> her presence. :-)
> Darren Purcell

Re the original request I would submit

1. "Jol vagy? Jol van?"
2. "Jobban vagy? Jobban van?"

Re the hazineni's (landlady) question:

You probably sneezed in some special (loud?) way. The common reaction to a
regular sneeze is "egeszsegedre/egeszsegere".

Best regards,

Peter Ulbrich

With US keyboard: ctrl+ ' or : then the letter a e i o u. This way it puts
the desired accent on top. The only letter you cannot create is o" (the long
version). Nora

Haliho,

To "slag" something or someone is to knock that person or thing. Yes, Janos,
it's mean!!! ;-)

Udv.,
Czifra Jancsi

At 09:00 AM 1/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
>With US keyboard: ctrl+ ' or : then the letter a e i o u. This way it puts
>the desired accent on top. The only letter you cannot create is o" (the long
>version). Nora
>
>

Who can help me?
I need a Hungarian Keyboard DLL for my Windows 3.11. It is probably called
"kbdhu.dll" and located in your \windows\system\ directory. If possible please
e-mail this to me as it is very hard to find. My e-mail address is


Thanks,

Peter.

You don't need any software.  It is "Columbus tojasa".  Prior to
hitting a or e, or want long o or long i, etc., hit the apostrophy (');
prior to hitting o or u, hit the quotation mark (").  It works the same
way with the accents visible on the keyboard (like the French and Spanish
symbols - they are stationary). If you really want quotation marks before
a wovel, you have to hit the space bar before you hit the wovel.  It
works with capital letter also!  This works both in word for window or
the  simple write.  Regards, Agnes

In article <v01510100ad1bb457a3da@[198.5.254.187]>, Doug Hormann
> writes:

>John if you will reread my post, you will see that I never once accused
you
>of originating this idea, nor even of agreeing with it.  The target of my
>criticism was cleary the originating author.
>
>Furthermore, your statement regarding us poor devils who didn't "attend
>both a high school and college which were extremely highly-rated, private
>institutions" is the epitome of elitism and conceit; never mind that it
is
>also a scathing indictment of the private schools you attended.  While I
>did not have the benefit of a highly rated private high school education
to
>ensure my acceptance into an equally highly rated private college, I was,
>by the time I finished the publicly funded 9th grade, able to identify
all
>the states in our country and find most all of our terrestrial neighbors
>without breaking a sweat.  Perhaps my mind grows fuzzy at the ripe old
age
>of 34, but it seems that most of my peers could as well.
>
>I cannot in good faith debate the fact that frightening examples of
>educational malpractice exist in our country.  Your are also correct when
>you imply that American educational doctine has too often abandoned
>scholastic rigor for the pretty face of political correctness.  However,
>one has only to look at the latent rise of neo-naziism in Germany and the
>dullards following Zhirinovsky in Russia to see that we do not hold the
>patent on idiocy.  In any case,  I've appreciated the opportunity to
>discuss this with you, but half-time is over.  Back to the football game.
>
>Regards,
>
>Doug
>
>
>
>
>Doug Hormann

>
>

Thank God that true Americans like Doug Hormann exist -- the kind of
harrumphing, goose-stepping village dickheads that H.L. Mencken and
Sinclair Lewis loved to twit in their own work. The Doug Hormann's of my
nation love to work overtime deciding who measures up to their particular
definition of American patriot and who doesn't. They love to honor free
speech and freedom of thought in the breach rather than the observance.

I don't remember insulting the whole panoply of American genius trotted
out by Herr Hormann in his hostile response. I simply pointed out that
most Americans would have trouble finding Hungary and Turkey on a map, a
point that Herr Hormann even concedes in his following post. I didn't
attack every American's moral character. I didn't slight the United States
of America. I didn't slap Momma, spit on the apple pie or even say
anything derogatory about Chevrolet, Dougie. But I'll be damned if I'm
going to let a right-wing fanatic like you goad me into some stupid
Stalinist profession of absolute faith in the American way, the kind you
have bullied out of poor Mr. Pagano. Get a life, you pompous asshole.
You're embarrassing the American nation with all this knuckle-dragging.
"Ahem," indeed.

Sam Stowe

P.S. -- I'll just wager that you, sir, are a Dallas Cowboys fan.

P.S.S. -- If anyone were to protest my observation that most Americans
couldn't find Hungary or Turkey on a map, it ought to be Darren Purcell,
an honest-to-God American geographer, not some wanna-be George Will clone.